[sudo-discuss] "I will make them disabled"

Thu Apr 25 13:24:00 PDT 2013

I spoke with Steve, the CL poster, and he said 3:30 would be best to meet
up and show the space.

Morten, Andrew, Ray, David, and anyone else who would like to check it out,
let's meet at 3:30 at 1924 Franklin (in front of the CoCo Cafe)!

Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com

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 "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson

"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
 -Hannah Arendt

"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Ray Lai <raymond.wm.lai at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yup. I am available. :)
>
>
> Raymond Lai
> Ice Cream Man
> Atomic Ice Cream
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>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jenny,
>
> I want to clarify i'm down to go over there today at 3pm. Can I get the
> number to call and confirm? Also Ray, are you available today at 3pm?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> These are all really valuable points.
>>
>> However, I think it is important to explore opportunities when they
>> arise, and would like to suggest some folks check the space out ASAP and
>> give the rest of us a report-back.
>>
>> The first available slot is tomorrow between 3-4pm. I will unfortunately
>> be working at that time, but whoever is available and interested please
>> email me tonight/tomorrow morning and I will send along the cell # to call.
>>
>> They are also available to show the space Sunday between 10-11am, and
>> Monday-Friday afternoons and some evenings. I am down for a Thursday
>> afternoon tour, and if I don't get any replies back for tomorrow, I'll try
>> to schedule a Thursday tour between 3-4pm.
>>
>> Re: issues with the landlord: Matt, Jordan, Andrew and myself (as far as
>> I'm aware, but I'm sure there are others) have buffered the community from
>> most of George's incorrigible behavior (I've been yelled at for things
>> sudoers have not even been around to do more times than I can count) -
>> though, granted, we have also put him through what I'm sure is unexpected
>> turbulence - but it should also be noted for the record that his rapport
>> with the EAST BAY *MEDITATION* CENTER was horrible enough to warrant them
>> moving out on bad terms.
>>
>> Andrew's suggestion re: a revision of the contract is a good one, but I
>> have the feeling it wouldn't do much to change deeply-embedded behavior
>> patterns. We are growing too large for the space, regardless, and I also
>> think it could be a great opportunity for a serious crowdfunding campaign.
>>
>> In love and solidarity,
>> Jenny
>>
>> Jenny
>> http://jennyryan.net
>> http://thepyre.org
>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>
>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>  "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>> -Laurie Anderson
>>
>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>> it."
>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>
>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I completely understand why members in this thread want to move into a
>>> new space, both for the comments from the landlord and for other reasons as
>>> well (moar space!), but I'd definitely like to advocate that we proceed
>>> with due diligence. Matt mentioned trying to start a process where we
>>> continually understand the real estate market and what our options are...
>>> With that in mind, maybe we can figure out a process where:
>>>
>>> - we try to evaluate as many different spaces as possible, based on
>>> criteria determined by consensus, and in those criteria...
>>> - determine what's financially feasible, at what time period, with what
>>> funding, etc. Rusty recently sent out that survey recently about funding,
>>> and the few responses I read weren't at significantly higher price points,
>>> though our questions centered around reserves.
>>>
>>> I suppose that I see the comments from the landlord as a potential
>>> additional reason to re-evaluate the space, but not one minimally
>>> sufficient to immediately relocate.
>>>
>>> As Bill mentioned, it'd be great to form some kind of exploratory
>>> committee with the Public Schools. There's a lot of available commercial
>>> space out there, and it'd be great to try and evaluate as much as we can.
>>>
>>> If anything, this thread demonstrates that we have a lot of leverage in
>>> the management of the space. We could probably leave pretty easily, and
>>> it's likely that group consensus would be okay with that. At the very, very
>>> least, we need to ask that he respectfully talk to our members. Or, for
>>> that matter, guests of our members. You know, people. As for his
>>> conservative ideas about gender, a conversation with him when he's not in
>>> rant-mode really might help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------
>>> Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Sam Tepper <sam.tepper at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Regarding our budget, I think that members in the past were expected to
>>>> pay more, and if asked, many would be willing to pay more if it were for a
>>>> good investment.  Having a better deal on more space does seem to make
>>>> sense to me, if we can be sure it meets all our needs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aestetix:
>>>>>
>>>>> There have been other issues. I am wary of listing them out, but like
>>>>> I said they all surround having no clear boundaries and expectations and
>>>>> his communication style of just saying whats on his mind, maybe throwing in
>>>>> a threat, and then leaving.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think though in general we have been thinking about looking for a
>>>>> new (bigger) space for awhile. No time like the present to start shopping
>>>>> around. If we find something that fits in the budget and is close to bart
>>>>> why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> --Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:19 PM, aestetix <aestetix at aestetix.com>wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> So, a move is a pretty big step. Have there been any other issues with
>>>>>> the landlord? I do agree that gender sensitivity is important, and yet
>>>>>> if there aren't any other complaints, I wonder if it's something we
>>>>>> could work out with him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/23/13 5:17 PM, William Budington wrote:
>>>>>> > We should bring this up with The Public School as well, and see if
>>>>>> > they might be willing to move with us.  I'm sure the situation with
>>>>>> > George is troublesome for them, too.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bill
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 04/23/2013 05:01 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
>>>>>> >> This looks like an amazing opportunity. Nice catch, Ray!
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I just sent them an email on behalf of sudo room, asking if we
>>>>>> >> could set up a time to tour the space, meet the landlord, and
>>>>>> >> discuss compatibility.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> We're currently paying $2/sqft, so this could be ideal. Marc has
>>>>>> >> also been looking into potential spaces that are zoned for bio
>>>>>> >> research.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org
>>>>>> >> http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire
>>>>>> >> around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of
>>>>>> >> defining it." -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane
>>>>>> >> Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Andrew
>>>>>> >> <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> WANT! Ray, can you email them?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Ray Lai
>>>>>> >>> <raymond.wm.lai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Disable our leaving the space, George!
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3734928687.html
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Franklin at 19th!
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> $1500 for 1100 square feet. Also in the classy building is a
>>>>>> >>>> whole floor 4200 square feet at .95/sq ft. Perhaps we can
>>>>>> >>>> inquire about part of the larger floor or arrange to share it
>>>>>> >>>> with Sudoers who need office space (RoShamBo, Atomic, et
>>>>>> >>>> al).
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Sudo room is its esteemed, talented, brilliant and diverse
>>>>>> >>>> members; not the space we chose to rent.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Land lords are reptiles.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Hack the marketplace!
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Raymond Lai Ice Cream Man Atomic Ice Cream
>>>>>> >>>> Facebook.com/MotoAtomico
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Andrew
>>>>>> >>>> <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> It's very difficult to have a landlord with no clear
>>>>>> >>>> boundaries. I get the feeling we are not the kind of tenants
>>>>>> >>>> he wants to be working with, or is capable of working with. I
>>>>>> >>>> have my own share of George stories.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> If we want to stay in the space, I would suggest that we be
>>>>>> >>>> proactive in getting him  to modify the lease so that we can
>>>>>> >>>> all be on the same page with expectations. I think it's also
>>>>>> >>>> fair to say that we've pushed pretty hard on him as well with
>>>>>> >>>> what his expectation may have been for us, for example having
>>>>>> >>>> large events in the common area is no in the lease as far as
>>>>>> >>>> I know, but he has allowed it to happen, but because we don't
>>>>>> >>>> have an actual agreement hes coming back with arbitrary
>>>>>> >>>> enforcement of arbitrary rules.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> so we either:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> 1. move
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> or
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> 2. make sure that our expectations from and for the landlord
>>>>>> >>>> are in writing
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> or
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> 3. Continue to take his arbitrary rants at random members of
>>>>>> >>>> sudo room, and just placate (or ignore) him as much as
>>>>>> >>>> possible (what we are already doing).
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> --Andrew
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Gregg Horton
>>>>>> >>>> <greggahorton at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Then how is SR going to make a safe non-abusive space with
>>>>>> >>>>> this guy as landlord?
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Yardena Cohen
>>>>>> >>>>> <yardenack at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Romy Ilano
>>>>>> >>>>>> <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Could we have a rule of SudoRoom members not
>>>>>> >>>>>>> interacting with him?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Who is this rule for? Do you appreciate the actual
>>>>>> >>>>>> problem? He literally has a habit of going up to people
>>>>>> >>>>>> using the bathroom and yelling at them through the door.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want SR to move either.
>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
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>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
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