[sudo-discuss] "I will make them disabled"

Tue Apr 23 18:29:44 PDT 2013

I completely understand why members in this thread want to move into a new
space, both for the comments from the landlord and for other reasons as
well (moar space!), but I'd definitely like to advocate that we proceed
with due diligence. Matt mentioned trying to start a process where we
continually understand the real estate market and what our options are...
With that in mind, maybe we can figure out a process where:

- we try to evaluate as many different spaces as possible, based on
criteria determined by consensus, and in those criteria...
- determine what's financially feasible, at what time period, with what
funding, etc. Rusty recently sent out that survey recently about funding,
and the few responses I read weren't at significantly higher price points,
though our questions centered around reserves.

I suppose that I see the comments from the landlord as a potential
additional reason to re-evaluate the space, but not one minimally
sufficient to immediately relocate.

As Bill mentioned, it'd be great to form some kind of exploratory committee
with the Public Schools. There's a lot of available commercial space out
there, and it'd be great to try and evaluate as much as we can.

If anything, this thread demonstrates that we have a lot of leverage in the
management of the space. We could probably leave pretty easily, and it's
likely that group consensus would be okay with that. At the very, very
least, we need to ask that he respectfully talk to our members. Or, for
that matter, guests of our members. You know, people. As for his
conservative ideas about gender, a conversation with him when he's not in
rant-mode really might help.

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Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510
http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Sam Tepper <sam.tepper at gmail.com> wrote:

> Regarding our budget, I think that members in the past were expected to
> pay more, and if asked, many would be willing to pay more if it were for a
> good investment.  Having a better deal on more space does seem to make
> sense to me, if we can be sure it meets all our needs.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>
>> Aestetix:
>>
>> There have been other issues. I am wary of listing them out, but like I
>> said they all surround having no clear boundaries and expectations and his
>> communication style of just saying whats on his mind, maybe throwing in a
>> threat, and then leaving.
>>
>> I think though in general we have been thinking about looking for a new
>> (bigger) space for awhile. No time like the present to start shopping
>> around. If we find something that fits in the budget and is close to bart
>> why not?
>>
>> --Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:19 PM, aestetix <aestetix at aestetix.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> So, a move is a pretty big step. Have there been any other issues with
>>> the landlord? I do agree that gender sensitivity is important, and yet
>>> if there aren't any other complaints, I wonder if it's something we
>>> could work out with him.
>>>
>>> On 4/23/13 5:17 PM, William Budington wrote:
>>> > We should bring this up with The Public School as well, and see if
>>> > they might be willing to move with us.  I'm sure the situation with
>>> > George is troublesome for them, too.
>>> >
>>> > Bill
>>> >
>>> > On 04/23/2013 05:01 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
>>> >> This looks like an amazing opportunity. Nice catch, Ray!
>>> >>
>>> >> I just sent them an email on behalf of sudo room, asking if we
>>> >> could set up a time to tour the space, meet the landlord, and
>>> >> discuss compatibility.
>>> >>
>>> >> We're currently paying $2/sqft, so this could be ideal. Marc has
>>> >> also been looking into potential spaces that are zoned for bio
>>> >> research.
>>> >>
>>> >> Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org
>>> >> http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>> >>
>>> >> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire
>>> >> around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson
>>> >>
>>> >> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of
>>> >> defining it." -Hannah Arendt
>>> >>
>>> >> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane
>>> >> Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Andrew
>>> >> <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> WANT! Ray, can you email them?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Ray Lai
>>> >>> <raymond.wm.lai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Disable our leaving the space, George!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3734928687.html
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Franklin at 19th!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> $1500 for 1100 square feet. Also in the classy building is a
>>> >>>> whole floor 4200 square feet at .95/sq ft. Perhaps we can
>>> >>>> inquire about part of the larger floor or arrange to share it
>>> >>>> with Sudoers who need office space (RoShamBo, Atomic, et
>>> >>>> al).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sudo room is its esteemed, talented, brilliant and diverse
>>> >>>> members; not the space we chose to rent.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Land lords are reptiles.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hack the marketplace!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Raymond Lai Ice Cream Man Atomic Ice Cream
>>> >>>> Facebook.com/MotoAtomico
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Andrew
>>> >>>> <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> It's very difficult to have a landlord with no clear
>>> >>>> boundaries. I get the feeling we are not the kind of tenants
>>> >>>> he wants to be working with, or is capable of working with. I
>>> >>>> have my own share of George stories.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If we want to stay in the space, I would suggest that we be
>>> >>>> proactive in getting him  to modify the lease so that we can
>>> >>>> all be on the same page with expectations. I think it's also
>>> >>>> fair to say that we've pushed pretty hard on him as well with
>>> >>>> what his expectation may have been for us, for example having
>>> >>>> large events in the common area is no in the lease as far as
>>> >>>> I know, but he has allowed it to happen, but because we don't
>>> >>>> have an actual agreement hes coming back with arbitrary
>>> >>>> enforcement of arbitrary rules.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> so we either:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 1. move
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> or
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2. make sure that our expectations from and for the landlord
>>> >>>> are in writing
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> or
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 3. Continue to take his arbitrary rants at random members of
>>> >>>> sudo room, and just placate (or ignore) him as much as
>>> >>>> possible (what we are already doing).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --Andrew
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Gregg Horton
>>> >>>> <greggahorton at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Then how is SR going to make a safe non-abusive space with
>>> >>>>> this guy as landlord?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Yardena Cohen
>>> >>>>> <yardenack at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Romy Ilano
>>> >>>>>> <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> - Could we have a rule of SudoRoom members not
>>> >>>>>>> interacting with him?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Who is this rule for? Do you appreciate the actual
>>> >>>>>> problem? He literally has a habit of going up to people
>>> >>>>>> using the bathroom and yelling at them through the door.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I don't want SR to move either.
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