[sudo-discuss] privacy and violations; nym rights and other.

Fri Apr 12 19:51:31 PDT 2013

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Seems like a fine time to mention a project I've been involved in for
a few years: http://www.openamd.org/

It's a real time location tracking social networking system that we
created in part to explore some of those questions. :)

On 4/12/13 5:58 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
> Given the physical geographic constraints in a hyperlocal context, 
> couldn't we issue public keys for a persistent identity at Sudo
> Room authenticated by an in-person registration. Isn't this what a 
> Cryptoparty is about, basically?
> 
> By organizing a concentrated initiative available at convenient
> times and with sufficient guidance to make it accessible by the
> Sudo Room community and the general public, it could be the
> foundation for lots of things. Here's a few I've been recently
> thinking about:
> 
> - Voting. a unique authenticated online identity for the purpose
> of voting remotely in a variety of collective decision-making
> contexts. - Privacy. a persistent pseudonymous identity throughout
> Sudo Room. - Recommendations. confirmed authenticity of an actual
> human being related to comments and publicly made comments -
> Safety. the use of dangerous and complex tools that require 
> significant instruction could be restricted only to authorized
> users. - Payment. financial transactions from peer Sudo member to
> peer Sudo member in addition to membership dues payment and
> dividend collection from Sudo Fund - Cash. anonymous financial
> transactions with some kind of Sudo bit-coin
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 11, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com 
> <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Quick note, it is probably better to say the IRC channel is not
>> KNOWN to be logged.  Tons of people log IRC privately for later
>> perusal or other reasons, and there's no way for any other IRC
>> user to know if an inactive user is a logging bot.  In fact, I
>> know plenty of people who interact with IRC through a logging
>> system of some kind, so the difference between a human user and a
>> logger isn't even distinct.
>> 
>> Someone's comment of, if you want it to be private, don't put it
>> on the Internet, is reasonable.  Even email goes through any
>> number of servers on its way to its intended recipient, and you
>> have no idea which of these is keeping copies.  Unless you are
>> rigorous about using encryption, *and* really know what you're
>> doing (I don't, that shit's hard), expect any electronic
>> communication you make to be possibly readable by some entity you
>> don't know about, including governments, your ISP's help staff,
>> hackers, grad students, botnet operators, your mom (she doesn't
>> mean to snoop but you never TELL her anything).
>> 
>> Of course, even Google is gonna have an extraordinarily hard
>> time identifying, finding and collating it all; I do not want to
>> sound too alarmist here.  The needle/haystack issue, which any
>> attempt to track an individual will run into, is also a *really*
>> difficult one.
>> 
>> Rachel M
>> 
> 
> 
> On 4/11/13 3:36 PM, Paul Ivanov wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey everyone,
>>> 
>>> Jenny Ryan, on 2013-04-11 14:57,  wrote:
>>>> Rabbit: the IRC channel is not logged and never has been
>>> 
>>> I think this is missing the point. Just because you don't know
>>> of a bot logging the IRC channel, it does not mean it isn't
>>> being logged.
>>> 
>>> The same goes for an email list you're on: regardless of 
>>> "official" policy, *any* subscriber to the list can archive
>>> *all* of the conversations on it.
>>> 
>>> I'm sympathetic to stripping email addresses, but not to
>>> removing postings themselves. Given the minimum barrier for
>>> joining the list, and that 'nym rights' is part of this
>>> thread's title, anyone is welcome to create (and possibly
>>> share) an email account, resender, or proxy intended for
>>> anonymity.
>>> 
>>> If we want to stay inclusive, and allow anyone to join the
>>> list, then we *have* to assume that anything sent to the list
>>> is public (because there's no filtering for who gets to be on
>>> the list, and no protection for what they might do with that
>>> information after they get it).
>>> 
>>> best, -- Paul Ivanov http://pirsquared.org
>>> <http://pirsquared.org/> | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4/11/13 2:57 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
>>>> Great discussion this has started. Anon195714, my apologies
>>>> for getting defensive and blaming you for not being aware.
>>>> 
>>>> The default Mailman messages are indeed unclear. I need to
>>>> focus on prior commitments today, but I encourage folks to
>>>> suggest rewordings themselves: http://lists.sudoroom.org.
>>>> Same goes for scrubbing email addresses and creating a
>>>> robots.txt file. If anyone would like to volunteer to hack on
>>>> this, I volunteer as a point of contact for server access and
>>>> implementation.
>>>> 
>>>> Rabbit: the IRC channel is not logged and never has been,
>>>> although we have discussed a bot that would bookmark / record
>>>> a point in the conversation with another user's prompt.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jenny http://jennyryan.net <http://jennyryan.net/> 
>>>> http://thepyre.org <http://thepyre.org/> 
>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>> <http://thevirtualcampfire.org/> 
>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>> <http://technomadic.tumblr.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the
>>>> campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson
>>>> 
>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error
>>>> of defining it." -Hannah Arendt
>>>> 
>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane
>>>> Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>> 
>> 
> 
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