[sudo-discuss] Sudo Square

Thu Apr 11 17:57:36 PDT 2013

something like that. 

As far as I can tell, it's an informal agreement b/w Ike's & the Punchdown that people can eat Ike's sandwiches at the tables, and Ike's doesn't complain about the tables being locked up until 4pm. 

Can the Oakland wiki geeks point us to where we can verify information about this parcel.

Once we confirm it's public, might be fun to put up an Occupy tent looking birdhouse that brings open free mesh wireless to the Square. The network could be named SudoSquare so that people outside this inside joke would care.

sent from eddan.com

On Apr 11, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wait, sudo square is actually a public park--meaning it doesn't belong to the building owner adjacent to the square that has set up their own private chairs they lock at night, well pretty much most of the time?
> 
> // Matt
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> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>> Yeah, what Jenny is saying.
>> And also in regards to what is Sudo about it:
>> 
>> The naming of streets and landmarks and parks is accomplished either formally by the state or the company willing to sponsor it.
>> 
>> I think the Sudo way of naming landmarks should depend on what the community can collectively accomplish without confirmation by power or with money. It is peer produced because it depends on voluntary community collaborative participation of check-in in order to have legitimacy. Governments can't force Yelp to list some landmark the same as Google, Yahoo!, and FacebookHome. And the companies competitive interests prevent cooperation.
>> 
>> Which Franklin is it referring to? If it is Benjamin, I'd guess he'd be all for it.
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>> 
>> sent from eddan.com
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>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Mark: Thanks for the info! That sounds like a beautiful public transportation option. I was wondering what happened to Oakland streetcars and it seems there was a recent plan and push for them:http://www.oaklandstreetcarplan.com
>>> 
>>> JC: We are not a virtually community alone - sudo room is a physical space located in an actual place, with history and neighbors and all the intricacies that compose location-based culture.
>>> 
>>> I'm a huge fan of Oakland Wiki and think it's one of the most important projects sudoers are working on right now. Attention to one's surroundings and the dynamics of a place one is relatively new to reflects a sensibility of understanding and attunement that is sadly neglected in this age of community alienation and displacement (how many of us actually grew up in this town?).
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>>> Jenny
>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>> http://thepyre.org
>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
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>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>> 
>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>> 
>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
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>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:24 PM, J.C. <r33lmm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This all sounds interesting and stuff, it would be helpful if you gave a quick context as to why I would care about this and how it relates to sudo'ism.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM, mark burdett <mfburdett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> the actual name is Franklin Plaza and yes it has a OaklandWiki page- we batch-imported all oakland parks :) http://oaklandwiki.org/Franklin_Plaza
>>>>> 
>>>>> by the way, if you look at old maps, there used to be Southern Pacific streetcars running along Franklin St across Broadway onto 22nd street by the sudoroom entrance. from sudoroom you could take an electric train (1200 volts DC!) all the way to SF ferry building (via the SP mole which is now middle harbor shoreline park) in one direction and Alameda in the other.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also - apparently when the land where sudoroom stands was first subdivided as "Wilcox Place" you could buy a lot for $900 gold coin..
>>>>> 
>>>>> --mark B.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wanted to ask a flash-mob like favor from folks coming to Sudo Room this evening. Over the summer, several of us created the Sudo Square page at Foursquare (https://foursquare.com/v/sudo-square/50074796e4b092cb5fe8c83d) and Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sudo-Square/351059718301717) as part of a plan to name the plaza at the intersection of Broadway, 19th, & Franklin. Can you please check-in on your way in?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's a lovely day and the Punchdown (http://www.punchdownwine.com/) already put out the outdoor table seating. I'll be hanging out there until the meeting and will remind Sudo folk I see.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Given the democratization of nomenclature afforded by geo-located mobile computing, I thought it most appropriate to have some kind of coordinated crowd in-checking initiative. There are some pictures, but it's a placeholder so far. So far as we know (& the Oakland Wiki folks could correct us), the square does not yet have a name.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So not just today - but anytime - when you're passing by 22nd & Broadway and you're itching to check in on Facebook or Foursquare, or Yelp, or however it is you go about telling the world instantaneously where you are - please check in at Sudo Square - often and tell your friends about it too. I am also now trying to compile a list of the existing sites & services use for geo-located check-in fun - so let me know if you know of others.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps during one of the upcoming Art Murmurs - we can have an official check-in dedication ceremony - we can invite the mayor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> sent from eddan.com
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