[sudo-discuss] just got mugged and maced near sudo room

Tue Apr 9 10:56:33 PDT 2013

Aww Naomi that sucks. I am also glad you had a quick helpful response and I
hope your face feels better soon and you don't have any long term effects
from that. Yikes!!

Got to agree with Rachel and Sonja here, I'm not going to stop walking
around at night or in the day time by myself.  Independent mobility in
public is important to me.  I also often need to work on my laptop on the
bus, on long bus rides during the day while I'm "at work", and have got to
trust to my general street smarts and ability to connect well with random
other people, which I guess falls under "situational awareness" but I would
say social awareness as well.

- Liz

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:

> :j I had kinda the same reaction to george's advice too.
> I want to read this blog post! email us when it's ready!
> This story is kindof amazing - obviously it's terrible, but I love the
> part about the police showing up quickly, recovering your stuff, and
> arresting the perp! I've never heard of police doing all of those
> things!
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
> <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wow, naomi, I am so sorry that happened to you. Let me know if there's
> > anything I can do to help.
> >
> > George, thanks for your well-meaning advice but I will continue to roam
> the
> > streets of oakland alone, and would be happier for advice that didn't
> read
> > like orders to limit my mobility or autonomy in such. Additionally,
> please
> > be careful with drawing parallels between movements for women's safety
> > around sexual assault, and general mugging/assault, as they are entirely
> > different things.
> >
> > If folks want to do a learning session/circle on being streetwise I am
> sure
> > many of us have good advice to share....
> >
> > Don't be the low hanging fruit! Leave that to the drunk yuppies.
> >
> > R.
> >
> > On Apr 9, 2013 2:33 AM, "Anon195714" <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I just emailed Naomi privately; this part is for the SR list:
> >>
> >> 1)  Any type of mobile device or anything that looks like one, including
> >> tablets, is BIG BIG BIG mugging fodder these days, not just because the
> >> devices can be resold, but because they contain personal data that can
> be
> >> used to steal your identity or at least hijack your bank account.   Put
> your
> >> devices away before you leave SR, do not let them be seen when you're
> on the
> >> street, EVEN in the DAYtime.  In the Mission in SF, people get robbed of
> >> their mobiles in the middle of the day: grab-and-run, often getting
> pushed
> >> down or otherwise injured in the process.
> >>
> >> 2)  ALWAYS go out in pairs, never alone.  This was a feminist issue
> when I
> >> was in college, it was called "Take Back the Night".  These days it's
> for
> >> guys as well as gals: everyone, even if you're built like a sanitation
> >> worker and don't think anyone would ever want to mess with you: the
> badguys
> >> have weapons.
> >>
> >> 3)  If someone is going to be leaving after dark, always offer to
> >> accompany them to whatever means of transport they use and wait with
> them
> >> until they are moving (until they are on the road or on the bus or in
> the
> >> paid area of BART etc. etc.).  Take another person with you so there are
> >> three going out and two coming back.  Just DO IT as a matter of routine.
> >>
> >> 4)  We need cameras outside.  I can get Panasonic outdoor cameras at
> >> wholesale if SR or the building owner wants to buy them, they run on
> Cat5
> >> cable, power-over-ethernet, and can go into a network.  I might have a
> line
> >> on a couple of oldschool outdoor cameras in big housings that are highly
> >> visible and may help as a deterrent, though they are not network
> cameras.
> >> Ideal case, we put it online so any SR member can watch the outside of
> the
> >> building, and it becomes normal to keep the camera screens open while
> you're
> >> working at your computer.
> >>
> >> 5)  We might want to consider self-defense classes or anything else that
> >> can empower people.  There are community/nonprofit groups that teach
> various
> >> techniques for personal safety & defense, someone around here probably
> knows
> >> how to find them.  Part of it is "situational awareness": being alert
> about
> >> the environment wherever you are, potential risks, potential safety
> >> advantages, who's around, what to do if a risk turns into a direct
> threat,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> 6)  We need a meeting topic on security, and an ongoing discussion about
> >> it.  This topic is always going to be current.
> >>
> >> Enough was enough long ago!  No more!
> >>
> >> -G.
> >>
> >>
> >> ======
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13-04-09-Tue 1:55 AM, Naomi Most wrote:
> >>
> >> 11:45pm at the 20th st bus stop (at Broadway) waiting for the 72M.
> >>
> >> So, ah, watch yourselves.
> >>
> >> I was transferring my iPad to my backpack when 2 muggers wrenched it out
> >> of my hands and a third one maced me right in the eyes.  I mean not
> just a
> >> little spray, a serious "I mean to blind you" lengthy spray.
> >>
> >> An emergency team showed up about 6 minutes after the incident, and the
> >> cops showed up about 8 minutes after.  They were very helpful.
> >>
> >> One of them asked if I had "Find my Phone" installed, which I did.  They
> >> activated it and located the iPad right away.  They detained 2 suspects
> who
> >> were carrying the iPad.
> >>
> >> I sat in the back of a cop car as they stood under the light.  One
> suspect
> >> wasn't so clear to me, and I said so -- I wasn't sure. The other
> suspect was
> >> *definitely* the girl who maced me, so I said so.  They let the guy go
> and
> >> took the girl in.  That felt really weird.
> >>
> >> I'm going to write this up in more detail on my blog, because my face
> >> feels like it's melting off so I'm not going to be able to sleep anyway.
> >>
> >> What a strange experience.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Naomi Theora Most
> >> naomi at nthmost.com
> >> +1-415-728-7490
> >>
> >> skype: nthmost
> >>
> >> http://twitter.com/nthmost
> >>
> >>
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