<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Spectrum is regulated on a national level. In the US, by the FCC. </div><div>The network commons depends on how the domestic regulatory body treats spectrum scarcity. </div><div><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Unlicensed spectrum is what made home routers possible in the first place. Power over access to the Internet moved from the sole control of telecom providers to individual user control through the intermediation of affordable hardware devices.</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>Broadcast radio is a helpful analogy. Federal regulation for stronger signals makes sense in terms of preventing interference. Short-range radio is where 'Pirate' radio exists outside the regulatory regime. The FCC recently opened up more spectrum for this purpose. </div><div><br></div><div>Yochai Benkler's most recent article on Open Wireless may be useful: <span style="font-family: '.HelveticaNeueUI'; font-size: 15px; line-height: 19px; white-space: nowrap; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/publications/2012/unlicensed_wireless_v_licensed_spectrum">http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/publications/2012/unlicensed_wireless_v_licensed_spectrum</a></span><br><br>sent from <a href="http://eddan.com">eddan.com</a></div><div><br>On Oct 4, 2013, at 1:15 AM, Mitar <<a href="mailto:mitar@tnode.com">mitar@tnode.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Hi!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Great stuff! Thanks for sharing!</span><br><span></span><br><span>So just a point about what I am trying to learn from Creative Commons is</span><br><span>that:</span><br><span>- it is hard to make a global license because of all differences in</span><br><span>legislations, copyright is very standardized but it is still an issue,</span><br><span>networking is much less unified</span><br><span>- different people have different values, we can have different names</span><br><span>for different licenses (like what is situation in FOSS world), or we can</span><br><span>have one name with different variations (like Creative Commons)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Why I believe the second approach is better is because then we can</span><br><span>assure that despite differences the suite of those licenses are still</span><br><span>interoperable and do not forgo the main points. In the case of CC this</span><br><span>is attribution, the see this as a common value any license should</span><br><span>require. We might see something else in a similar light.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ah. One more: I propose Network Commons name for all this and to get</span><br><span><a href="http://commons.net">commons.net</a> domain name from the Creative Commons (they have it but are</span><br><span>not using it).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Roger, thank you for presenting my ideas in Berlin!</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Mitar</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings comrades!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>A pleasure to participate in a most excellent roundtable discussion moving</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>toward a network commons license this evening at c-base!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Here are the notes off the etherpad, for documentation and sharing with our</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>friends across the pond. I will also shortly start a thread for a round of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>introductions :-)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>This pad is meant to just as an index. Discussions must be kept in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>individual pads</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>(tmp) mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>name</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-org-name">http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-org-name</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>vision and mission</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-mission">http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-mission</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>initial pad THAT MUST BE REWORKED</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://etherpad.guifi.net/C4EU-orgs">http://etherpad.guifi.net/C4EU-orgs</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>rought notes of meeting at IS4CWN 2013</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*) we continue the discussion via the tmp mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> pls send any update, no matter from where</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*) international organisations</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> ISOC</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> RIRs (e.g. RIPE-NCC, )</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*) international actions</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> lobbyingg</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> policy making</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*) license</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*) network map</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> to have a big picture</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*) define what a CN is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> => which/who can be accepted at the L2org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>FNF proposal: <a href="https://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Free_network_definition">https://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Free_network_definition</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>0. Freedom to participate and to make others participate</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> L2 access vs L3 access => access the network vs peering with the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>network => joining th commons vs extending the commons</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. Freedom to communicate using the network for any purpose without</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>interception or interference - and free of charge</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>2, The freedom to modify and improve the network, including the ability to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>access, author and distribute information about how the network functions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>? non-(private?)-profit with the network itself</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> not really sure if this must be at this level (could/should be placed</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>in the licence)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Fair profit [guifi] - can be legally enforced</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Transit inside the network should be free</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Guifinet: Difference between Network and content. Access to the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Internet is content</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> internally must be free. to get outside might be charged</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Precaution that we maintain actual freedom - problem with Creative</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>COmmons is that much that is licensed under CC is not actually free</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>(non-commercial)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Additional concerns (very likely not to go to the def/license but as</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>recommendations)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> The freedom to know the ecologial impact of the hardware?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> The right to ask for the information about the hardware?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> fairness as a restriction?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> running free software?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> distribured property (multistakeholder)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> is not a request, but it is recommended</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cannot charge a fee to interconnect the commons.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Access to knowledge as a fundamental principle:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_to_knowledge_movement">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_to_knowledge_movement</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Three themes here:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Free Network</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Community Network - owned by the community</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Profit / Non-profit</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>overlay net. vs physical net</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> we are talking about phy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> what about mixed overlay+phy networks (e.g. fon)?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>difference between the picopeer agr and our efforts</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*)*) licence</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>FNF proposal</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Network_Commons_License">http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Network_Commons_License</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> creative-commons-like incremental license proposed by Mitar at Oakland (?)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>suggestion: confront with statistics of CC in terms for flavours used</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> examples of additional clauses:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - free software only</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - ecological footprint</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - not for profit</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - owned by the users?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Membership</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>???</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>=Action Items=</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>* Isaac: Take 'owned by its users' out of the preamble</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>* Annemarie will pass around suggestions for legal frameworks</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>* Isaac: compare the picopeer agr and our def</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>* roger: rewrites these notes and sends them to the ml</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>* christian: contacts a RIPE college</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>* jenny: send notes to the list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jenny</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://jennyryan.net">http://jennyryan.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://thepyre.org">http://thepyre.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org">http://thevirtualcampfire.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com">http://technomadic.tumblr.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-Laurie Anderson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> -Hannah Arendt</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-Stéphane Mallarmé</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tmpcommonsnet mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Tmpcommonsnet@lists.sudoroom.org">Tmpcommonsnet@lists.sudoroom.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span><a href="http://mitar.tnode.com/">http://mitar.tnode.com/</a></span><br><span><a href="https://twitter.com/mitar_m">https://twitter.com/mitar_m</a></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Tmpcommonsnet mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Tmpcommonsnet@lists.sudoroom.org">Tmpcommonsnet@lists.sudoroom.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>