<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Greetings comrades!<br><br></div>A pleasure to participate in a most excellent roundtable discussion moving toward a network commons license this evening at c-base!<br><br></div>Here are the notes off the etherpad, for documentation and sharing with our friends across the pond. I will also shortly start a thread for a round of introductions :-)<br>
<br>-------<br><div><div><br><div class="" id="magicdomid2"><span class="">This pad is meant to just as an index. Discussions must be kept in individual pads</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid3"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid4">
<span class="">(tmp) mailing list</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid5"><span class=""> </span><span class=""><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet</a></span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid6"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid7"><span class="">name</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid8"><span class=""> </span><span class=""><a href="http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-org-name">http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-org-name</a></span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid9"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid10"><span class="">vision and mission</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid11"><span class=""> </span><span class=""><a href="http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-mission">http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-mission</a></span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid12"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid13"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid14"><span class="">initial pad THAT MUST BE REWORKED</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid15"><span class=""> </span><span class=""><a href="http://etherpad.guifi.net/C4EU-orgs">http://etherpad.guifi.net/C4EU-orgs</a></span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid16"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid17"><span class="">=======================================================</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid18"><span class="">rought notes of meeting at IS4CWN 2013</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid19"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid20"><span class="">*) we continue the discussion via the tmp mailing list</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid21"><span class=""> pls send any update, no matter from where</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid22"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid23"><span class="">*) international organisations</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid24"><span class=""> ISOC</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid25">
<span class=""> RIRs (e.g. RIPE-NCC, )</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid26"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid27"><span class="">*) international actions</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid28"><span class=""> lobbyingg</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid29"><span class=""> policy making</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid30"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid31"><span class="">*) license</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid32">
<br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid33"><span class="">*) network map</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid34"><span class=""> to have a big picture</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid35"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid36">
<span class="">*) define what a CN is</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid37"><span class=""> => which/who can be accepted at the L2org</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid38"><span class="">FNF proposal: </span><span class=""><a href="https://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Free_network_definition">https://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Free_network_definition</a></span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid39"><span class="">0. </span><span class="">Freedom to participate and to make others participate</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid40"><span class="">
L2 access vs L3 access => access the network vs peering with the
network => joining th commons vs extending the commons</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid41"><span class="">1. Freedom to communicate using the network for any purpose without interception or interference</span><span class=""> - and free of charge</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid42"><span class="">2, </span><span class="">The
freedom to modify and improve the network, including the ability to
access, author and distribute information about how the network
functions.</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid43"><span class="">? non-(private?)-profit with the network itself</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid44"><span class=""> not really sure if this must be at this level (could/should be placed in the licence)</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid45"><span class=""> Fair profit [guifi]</span><span class=""> - can be legally enforced</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid46"><span class=""> Transit inside the network should be free</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid47"><span class=""> Guifinet: </span><span class="">Difference between Network and content. </span><span class="">Access to the Internet is content</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid48">
<span class=""> internally must be free. to get outside might be charged</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid49"><span class="">
Precaution that we maintain actual freedom - problem with Creative
COmmons is that much that is licensed under CC is not actually free
(non-commercial)</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid50"><span class=""> </span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid51"><span class="">Additional concerns (very likely not to go to the def/license but as recommendations)</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid52"><span class=""> The freedom to know the ecologial impact of the hardware?</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid53"><span class=""> The right to ask for the information about the hardware?</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid54"><span class=""> fairness as a restriction?</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid55"><span class=""> </span><span class="">running free software?</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid56">
<span class=""> distribured property (multistakeholder)</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid57"><span class=""> is not a request, but it is recommended</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid58"><span class="">Cannot charge a fee to interconnect the commons.</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid59"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid60"><span class="">Access to knowledge as a fundamental principle: </span><span class=""><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_to_knowledge_movement">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_to_knowledge_movement</a></span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid61"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid62"><span class="">Three themes here:</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid63"><span class="">Free Network</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid64">
<span class="">Community Network - owned by the community</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid65"><span class="">Profit / Non-profit</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid66"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid67">
<span class="">overlay net. vs physical net</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid68"><span class=""> we are talking about phy</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid69"><span class=""> what about mixed overlay+phy networks (e.g. fon)?</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid70"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid71"><span class="">difference between the picopeer agr and our efforts</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid72"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid73">
<span class="">*)*) licence</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid74"><span class="">FNF proposal</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid75"><span class=""><a href="http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Network_Commons_License">http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Network_Commons_License</a></span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid76"><span class=""> creative-commons-like incremental license proposed by Mitar at Oakland (?)</span><span class=""> suggestion: confront with statistics of CC in terms for flavours used</span><span class=""> </span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid77"><span class=""> examples of additional clauses:</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid78"><span class=""> - free software only</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid79"><span class=""> - ecological footprint</span></div>
<div class="" id="magicdomid80"><span class=""> - not for profit</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid81"><span class=""> - owned by the users?</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid82"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid83">
<br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid84"><span class="">Membership</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid85"><span class="">???</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid86"><br></div><div class="" id="magicdomid87"><br>
</div><div class="" id="magicdomid88"><span class="">=Action Items=</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid89"><span class="">* Isaac: Take 'owned by its users' out of the preamble</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid91">
<span class="">* Annemarie will pass around suggestions for legal frameworks<br></span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid92"><span class="">* Isaac: compare the picopeer agr and our def</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid93">
<span class="">* roger: rewrites these notes and sends them to the ml</span></div><div class="" id="magicdomid94"><span class="">* christian: contacts a RIPE college </span></div>* jenny: send notes to the list<br></div>
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<br>-------<br clear="all"><div><div><div>Jenny<br>
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"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."<br>
-Laurie Anderson<br>
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"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."<br>
-Hannah Arendt<br>
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"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."<br>
-Stéphane Mallarmé<br>
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