[sudo-discuss] RE ELLIOTT

[Ryan]

Elliot, what have you tried to do to solve this problem besides immediately
inform the list and as for a ban? Have you tried to talk to Ranette? Have
you talked to someone else about what you could do?

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:32 PM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Gabby. Someone being verbally abusive calling me an idiot and telling me
> to shut up  (yelling at me with threatening posture) makes my feeling
> unsafe legitimate. I am not an "enforcer" I just voice my concerns and ask
> for help when someone is acting abusive. If you have problems with me
> please voice them. I understand that I have some personal problems but I do
> my best to be accountable and humble to my communities concerns. Feel free
> to voice things that you think are problematic about me and I will do my
> best to be accountable to oppressive behavior. I don't feels its oppressive
> to talk to your community about people or behaviors you find to be
> problematic. If you feel like that there is a better way to a address
> concerns let me know what your alternatives are.
>
>
> On Monday, May 25, 2015, Gabrielle Silverman <gabbywingnut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Elliot, with all due respect, I feel strongly that you should step back
>> from the role of acting as "enforcer" for the building. I wish that there
>> was a better distinction between personal problems and community problems
>> that require community intervention, and I wish, Elliot, that you would
>> recognize that you have A LOT of personal problems with people everywhere
>> you go and that the role of the collective is not to make sure that
>> everyone wants to be your friend. I know that the purpose of this listserve
>> is not to publicly shame eachother but I am sick of this affecting every
>> project that you touch. Also I think using the language of "safety" in a
>> situation like this (that is uncomfortable but not unsafe) is super-
>> manipulative and will contribute towards people not taking serious words
>> seriously anymore and its a real problem. Please find a way to share space
>> and participate in community projects without appointing yourself as
>> enforcer or making yourself a spokesperson for  groups that routinely
>> disagree with you on your process and analysis. Please just be Elliot, and
>> please find a way to deal. I am sorry if this hurts you or embarasses you.
>> Know that I will have your back when it gets real. We can talk more in
>> person if you like.
>>
>> Gabby
>> On May 25, 2015 7:24 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you two *are absolutely unable* to work through this conflict on
>>> your own, then please email mediation at omnicommons.org to request
>>> mediation.
>>>
>>> Jenny
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>>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:12 PM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:07 PM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > No this is a fabrication of the issue she left something rotten in
>>>> the trash
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we should have a separate list for conflicts and mediation. Oh
>>>> wait, the Omni already has one:
>>>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/mediation
>>>>
>>>> Why are you even using sudo-discuss? None of these things even
>>>> happened in Sudoroom, they happened elsewhere in the building.
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