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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Sudo folk.<br>
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Due to overwhelming demand (i.e., a couple people asked me about
it), I am extending the opportunity to participate in the paying
of July rent to whomever else is interested, until the start of
our meeting tonight at 2135 Broadway at 7pm. We are currently at
18 voluntary contributors (including myself), which makes it just
below $32 per person. It would be great if others were also
willing to chip so that we can make the Sudo-minyan of 23, as
determined at last week's meeting. This would make it $25 per
voluntary contributor to pay for July rent of our provisional
current interim space.<br>
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Since, according to the outlined schedule from the minutes - we
will have made a compact for the Articles of Association just at
the end of the month, I wanted to propose another experiment to
try and pay for August rent. The amount will most likely be $875
by then (once accessibility to the second floor will most likely
be resolved). I wanted to propose that we try the same $[rent]/n
formula, but this time with <i>n</i> being groups or
institutions. It would be great if we could get our like-minded
friends in the area to enjoy our common spaces as well, especially
the classroom. We could also solicit a wider range of art to be
displayed for next Art Murmur on August 3.<br>
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Can someone from the Mothership do a straw poll of interest in the
invitation? And other sudo-represented groups among us? I'd gamble
on being able to reach a Sudo-minyan of groups as well - and so
will offer the <a href="http://eddan.com">eddan.com</a> blog as a voluntary contributor.<br>
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I also wanted to propose that we hold a formal ceremony at the end
of our meeting tonight to try and answer the question asked on our
sudo-nymous pad - "How many hackers can you fit in a Sudo Room?" I
propose that July rent contributors and/or their proxies would be
called first to step into the box office room so that we can give
an informed and empirical answer to the posed question.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
Eddan<br>
[Self-Appointed Exchequer]<br>
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On 7/4/12 6:54 PM, Hilary Naylor wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">+1 (prefer Paypal)
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Max Klein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com"><isalix@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I will pay $[rent]/n too.
On 3 July 2012 11:34, Victoria Bogdan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bogdan.victoria@gmail.com"><bogdan.victoria@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Also happy to contribute for July, so please add my name to the tally!
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eddan Katz <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com"><eddan@oaklandlocal.com></a>
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<pre wrap="">Hi Jehan -
There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and
distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are the keys
to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I recently made another
set of those keys though and would happily meet you there and give them to
you. The landlord has no restrictions on the number of duplicates. There is
also a key to the main door - for the door itself and the gate-lock when
opening up and closing down. There are only several of these keys, though
the landlord would be willing to make additional ones for an additional
$10/month. Since that door is usually already opened by 8am by one of the
tenants and generally only closed at around 11pm - that key would not be
relevant for many users of the space.
I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at 2141
Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for the past couple
meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily resolved with the
permission we've had from the landlord and the East Bay Meditation Center
where the elevator is, and therefore does not yet meet the criteria to which
we've committed in getting an appropriate Sudo Room space. I therefore
didn't think it would be appropriate to include that in the amount I was
asking from the Sudo folks on the list. If you want to start using that room
- let me know and I will make a copy for you as well. Right now, about 5
people have keys to that room. My apologies for some of the junk lying
around - still making my way through it.
-Eddan
On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this
wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I
access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our
new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and how
do I get in?
-Jehan
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com"><eddan@oaklandlocal.com></a>
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<pre wrap="">Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm sorry
if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a
supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until we have a
better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad to hear
people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move forward.
Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a
proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To
clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand our
base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping
that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant
to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By
suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate
how small that amount can be.
For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will
be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers to
the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes on
Facebook), we would each pay $4.
There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using a
membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity to
try them out - at least in the interim.
sent from +1(415) 728-5800
On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">"mattsenate@gmail.com"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com"><mattsenate@gmail.com></a> wrote:
Eddan,
I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July,
I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur
donations easily too.
Tracy,
I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute
regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo
resources infrequently.
However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me
they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the
duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and
participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this
whole governance discussion.
I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more
resources!
Join me <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure</a>
- Matt
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From: "Tracy Jacobs" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kinetical@comcast.net"><kinetical@comcast.net></a>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
To: "Eddan Katz" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com"><eddan@oaklandlocal.com></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org"><sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org></a>
Sorry Eddan,
I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or by
paypal if you prefer. I don't understand the politics here or why we
are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
Tracy
Tracy
On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
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<pre wrap="">At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to
make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be
used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being
that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to
make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated
any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then
there is the matter of July rent.
I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room
officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at
this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange
Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to
our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be
filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good
Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already
gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to
give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear
about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time,
you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online
payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to
continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would
be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent
for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me
and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will
ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the
number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher
the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution
amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for
any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an
opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor
does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t-
shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running
list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135
Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to
solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this
group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo
pages to voice your concerns.
-Eddan
[self-appointed exchequer]
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